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Saturday, April 07, 2007

The Pope on Hell

Did you hear the news stories this week?

I came across quite a few that quoted him (suspiciously outside of quotation marks) as saying that hell is a place of literal fire.  I figured this was a misrepresentation since I do know a thing or two about Catholic theology ;-) so I tried to find the direct text to no avail.  It ain't there.  The real story, and the official Catholic doctrine sounds a lot like a sermon I heard a certain Youth Pastor deliver recently.

This is from Mark Shea, a commentator knowledgeable of both Catholic and Evangelical theology:

The mere fact that the media report this as news shows the immense gulf between their grasp of Christian teaching and Benedict's. And indeed, even in getting it right, they *still* manage to get it wrong. To be sure, they (kind of) get the main point (Benedict says hell is real, not a symbol designed to scare you into obeying the gospel), but then they completely misunderstand him. Here's how:

Benedict takes great pains to say that, while hell is real, the scriptural imagery used to describe hell ("everlasting fire") is not to be understood literalistically.
He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a "state of eternal separation from God", to be understood "symbolically rather than physically".

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In 1999, pope John Paul II said heaven was "neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God, which is the goal of human life".

Hell, by contrast, was "the ultimate consequence of sin itself. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy".

So what does the media take away from this?
Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, Pope Benedict XVI has said.

These guys can't seem to get it right even when the Pope holds the number two pencil in their hand and spells it out for them. They don't seem to grasp that something can be real without being physical. And so, they wind up giving the impression the Pope believes Hell is a big cave in a Far Side cartoon, full of fire pits and sulfur with the demons in red tights from central casting. It takes a special kind of inability to comprehend to write an story like that.

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Michael Krahn
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http://krahn.blogspot.com/


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Michael Krahn
www.michaelkrahn.com
http://krahn.blogspot.com/

Thursday, August 31, 2006

Martin Luther on the Rosary, Images of Mary, and Crucifixes

Martin Luther on the Rosary, Images of Mary, and Crucifixes: " Our prayer should include the Mother of God . . . What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: 'Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!' You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor . . . We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her . . . He who has no faith is advised to refrain from saying the Hail Mary.Whoever possesses a good (firm) faith, says the Hail Mary without danger! Whoever is weak in faith can utter no Hail Mary without danger to his salvation.(Personal Prayer Book, 1522 / Sermon, March 11, 1523)

Wednesday, March 01, 2006

CS Lewis on... PURGATORY


"Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age, the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to him?

I believe in Purgatory.

Mind you, the Reformers had good reasons for throwing doubt on the 'Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory' as that Romish doctrine had then become.....

The right view returns magnificently in Newman's DREAM. There, if I remember it rightly, the saved soul, at the very foot of the throne, begs to be taken away and cleansed. It cannot bear for a moment longer 'With its darkness to affront that light'. Religion has claimed Purgatory.

Our souls demand Purgatory, don't they? Would in not break the heart if God said to us, 'It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy'? Should we not reply, 'With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I'd rather be cleaned first.' 'It may hurt, you know' - 'Even so, sir.'

I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. But I don't think the suffering is the purpose of the purgation. I can well believe that people neither much worse nor much better than I will suffer less than I or more. . . . The treatment given will be the one required, whether it hurts little or much.

My favorite image on this matter comes from the dentist's chair. I hope that when the tooth of life is drawn and I am 'coming round',' a voice will say, 'Rinse your mouth out with this.' This will be Purgatory. The rinsing may take longer than I can now imagine. The taste of this may be more fiery and astringent than my present sensibility could endure. But . . . it will [not] be disgusting and unhallowed."

  - C.S.Lewis, Letters To Malcom: Chiefly on Prayer, chapter 20, paragraphs 7-10, pages 108-109

Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Chesterton on... TRADITION

"Tradition means giving a vote to most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead." Chesterton goes on to say: "Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death. Democracy tells us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our groom; tradition asks us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our father."

Sunday, February 19, 2006

The Emergent Delusion

The following is a critique of  Bob DeWaay's critique of Brian McLaren's book "A Generous Orthodoxy". 
 
Confused?  Read on.
 
I'm not sure with whom I disagree more - Brian McLaren or Bob Dewaay.  As is common to so many of these types of critiques, the author dances around ever saying anything authoritative from scripture while insisting again and again that it is the ultimate authority.  He takes many shots at McLaren for his patchwork faith, and that is certainly what it is, without ever saying what the "right" choices are.  Does he believe that it is better to choose the one you believe is the most true?  Or is his faith a patchwork as well, but from must better sources?  He scoffs at McLaren for "gleaning the parts he likes from many sources", but is there any other way unless you are willing to commit to one exclusively?
 
It is wonderful to quote Francis Schaeffer and other stalwart Protestant thinkers, but what are they even saying exactly?  Tell me things that all good Protestants believe, or at least accept on authority, to combat McLaren's patchwork.   Otherwise we are all doing the same as he is but to a lesser degree.  We all take parts of various confessions and adopt portions of them personally.  The fact that very few Protestants will firmly stand on one set alone, to the exclusion of all others proves that they believe much like McLaren does: that knowledge about God is complicated and cannot be contained in a single, unified system.

DeWaay writes "So if I say that 'Orthodox means that which is in keeping with the clearly revealed truth that God has given us in the inspired Scriptures', the deconstructionist tells me that this is just code for my arrogant belief that I am right and others are wrong."  Well, isn't that that exactly what he IS saying?  Although it is out of necessity and not arrogance, to constantly make this claim while simultaneously supporting the idea of scripture plus individual conscience is to claim no less in every area of thought in which you disagree with other believers claiming the same orthodoxy.  DeWaay implicitly denies his own professed affinity for Schaeffer's truth logic: "A is not non-A" when he claims that he, as an individual has some sort of superior insight into "clearly revealed truth that God has given".  But again, in the context of this critique, he doesn't tell those of us who are, presumably, not as enlightened as he is what these clear truths are, only that McLaren obviously doesn't know anything about them, and by extension neither do the rest of us who do not believe exactly as he does.
 
The essence of this critique reminds me of the manner in which the political left lobs criticisms at political conservatives: they are all too willing to point out that we should not be in Iraq, should not be at war, should not have responded to 9/11 the way we did... but they don't say "Here's what we should have done..." The author employs the same strategy here; McLaren is wrong about a great number of things, but the DeWaay isn't saying what the correct choices of thought are. He simply says time and time again that the Bible is clearly not saying what Brian McLaren thinks it is.  Well for goodness sake, please tell me authoritatively what he IS saying then!
 
This is not to say that I think McLaren is any more correct for his mosaic approach to personal theology, although to be fair I have not read much of his book so I can only make an incomplete judgment based on DeWaay's critique. The essence of this critique is that McLaren makes his quilt of too many and varying swatches of theological fabric where DeWaay draws his from more traditional Protestant sources.  Because McLaren draws from Christian thinkers seen by traditional Protestants as theologically ambiguous, the validity of his beliefs are discounted. 

The subtle criticism Thomas Merton is especially interesting, as it usually is from those who, rather than read his writings, are content to use third-hand conjecture about his investigation of Buddhist meditation to dismiss his entire body of work. DeWaay here lists Merton as a "key proponent of mysticism" and then defines mysticism as a way of "having a religious experience that does not require the theological distinctions and definitions" - those same distinctions and definitions that McLaren disparages.
 
"I do not at all regard mystical experience as an illusion." CS Lewis says in his book "Prayer: Letters to Malcolm", "I think it shows that there is a way to go, before death, out of what may be called 'this world' - out of the stage set."  But then he asks and answers an important question: "Out of this; but into what?  The lawfulness, safety, and utility of the mystical voyage depends not at all on its being mystical - that is, on its being a departure - but on motives, skill, and constancy of the voyager, and on the grace of God."
 
Mystical experience, from a Christian view, is not the search for nothingness but for a place of nothing but God's presence.  "Departures are all alike;" Lewis continues, "it is the landfall that crowns the journey.  The saint, by being a saint, proves that his mysticism led him aright."  Surely DeWaay will not claim to know everything about God or even that everything about God CAN be known by solely intellectual means.  The search beyond intellect is mysticism.  Notice as usual the finer points of Lewis' predictably balanced perspective - anyone CAN be a mystic; that is not the difficult part.  It is the preparation for the journey and its eventual destination that determines the validity of one's mysticism.
 
Similarly, Merton believed that there is a time for meditation and an emptying of the mind, but only for the purpose of filling it with truths that cannot be known intellectually.  "Mystical prayer," Merton says in "The Ascent to Truth", "rises above the natural operation if the intelligence, yet it is always essentially intelligent." 

This is a no less valid method of seeking Schaeffer's "true truth" than are intellectual pursuits.  DeWaay and thinkers like him are so enamored with what can be known intellectually that they unknowingly disqualify themselves from the enrichment offered by non-intellectual means of finding truth.  He seems to hold up, almost as an idol, what can be known about God - as if God could be limited by the feebleness of our minds in comparison to the full knowledge of him.  Thus, we must clear out what we KNOW, especially those of us who - in both good ways and bad - know too much.  Our minds are limited, so if our faith is based on what we can know, firstly it elevates those who have the intellectual capacity to know more, and secondly, because our minds are limited, so will our faith be.
 
Again, not having read McLaren's book in its entirety, I think one of the things that DeWaay is objecting to is mysticism as a starting point and on that point I would concur. 
Mystical experience can indeed be dangerous if one sets off on a journey without a map or the means to survive in the desert between "here" and "there".  
 
The discussion ends up being one I have been spending a lot of time thinking about lately: does one need to choose a single entire system of belief or did God intend for each of us to be responsible to hammer out our own personal system?   And what is the impetus either way? In that regard, the debate posed in this critique is one of degrees rather that opposites.  DeWaay does not claim a single source for his belief system, so why should McLaren?  To that, some will reply that DeWaay does claim a single source for his beliefs and that it is scripture.  If there is one thing that frustrates me most, it is that Protestants are constantly agreeing that the Bible is their only, ultimate, and supremely authoritative source but they often can't seem to agree about what exactly it is saying.  And what's worse is that few are willing to stand up and say "I am right and you are wrong!", and so divergent and opposing beliefs are allowed to sully the waters on which the adherents of each divergent theology attempt to sustain themselves.
 
In the Catholic mode of thinking, one's cup is never waiting to be filled with truth, but is rather awaiting clarification of truths already known and stated.  A Catholic is not concerned with knowing truth, but is rather concerned with deepening his understanding of truths already known.  Thus the burden of the perceived responsibility to know as much as one can is relieved by the fact that he trusts that what can be known, is already known, guarded, and passed on through the Church.  (Again, it is worth noting that this is my understanding and not a belief to which I am yet committed).
 
Can you honestly say that you would rather base your faith on what you personally can know in a human lifetime rather than on decades, centuries, and millennia of those like you who have already pondered what you ponder, discussed what you discuss, and made decisions about things you are trying decide?  Conversely, would you want future generations to cast aside truths that you have discovered in a lifetime of searching, study, and prayer out of some obligatory aversion to tradition?  Should each subsequent generation "start from scratch" in order to avoid the error of relying on a tradition of belief?

Quite fundamentally, McLaren's philosophy of belief is just an amplification of DeWaay's.  McLaren uses 30 patches to make his quilt while DeWaay uses only three.  Is DeWaay's way better because his beliefs are informed by fewer sources? 
 
It is interesting that DeWaay quotes Schaeffer's much used and clear, simple example of ultimate truth: "If some thing is A, it cannot be non-A".  Indeed, if there was only one thing (and there are many more) I had learned from reading Schaeffer that would be the most significant.  Ironically, as I have applied that thinking in my studies it has turned far more often against Protestantism as a whole than it has against Catholicism.  Where Protestantism as a whole seems willing to tolerate a wide variety of both grossly divergent and slightly varying theologies, Catholicism at least has a recognized authority structure that says "This is right and that is wrong."  What I have not yet decided is whether what they call right truly is right, and whether or not they truly have the authority to make and enforce those designations. 
 
So what we are really talking about is a competition of premises.  McLaren contends that we should take the best parts of everybody's theology to create our own unique theology.  This seems to be what is being called "emergent".  DeWaay's premise is that we should base our theologies, both corporate and personal, on scripture alone.  What he is loathe to explain however is which specific systematic theology is based most truthfully on scripture, which one he endorses and why.
 
The Protestant problem is clear: the Bible tells us many things that are true about God, but it does not contain exhaustive truth.  It guides us explicitly in many areas, but in others it speaks only in principles, and where there are principles, there must be interpretation.  Unlike the constitutions of our North American countries, the Bible is a divine constitution and infallible.  Its interpretation, however, should, like the interpretation of those great human constitutions, be left in the hands of those among us who know it best because they have spent a lifetime committed to its study
 
And so it is all about authority, as we've discussed before.

Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Thomas Merton on... SACRAMENTS

"The sacraments are very special signs, differing from other signs not only in their divine institution, but above all in the fact that they signify a spiritual reality, and at the same time produce the reality which they signify."

Sola Scriptura

 
To those who do not believe in Apostolic tradition, but in Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura):
 
bullet The Bible was not put under one cover until the Councils of Hippo (393) and 3rd Council of Carthage (397) accepted the official list of books . Not for over 1000 years after these early Councils was the printing press invented (1450), so Bible manuscripts were quite rare and costly before the printing press came about. Between 397 and 1450 then, how did most people learn about the contents of Scripture, and who was the authoritative figure for the early Church during these centuries? The authority clearly could not have been the Bible, but clearly was the Church Herself who preached it to the faithful. So how can Scripture have been our only guide for the centuries before copies of the Bible were readily available, and were the people who lived during those centuries all damned because they did not have access to Scripture?

Saturday, February 11, 2006

Pontificator quote

Below quoted from the blog of The Pontificator:
 
"If both Catholicism and Orthodoxy are deemed apostate religions, then the revelation of Christ, if there ever was one, is irretrievably lost: the Church that was given the stewardship of this revelation has disappeared from history. It cannot be recovered by archaeology and certainly cannot be recovered by picking up a Bible: the only hermeneutical matrix in which the writings of the Bible can be read as Christian Scripture has disappeared along with the Church. One can, of course, create a new Bible-based religion, but it will not be Christianity. One can also create a new religion based on the Nag Hammadhi documents. It might be an interesting and edifying religion, but it would not be the same religion that originally lived by those documents."